a bit premature but the simple "USB devices" page i started earlier was to allow me to set the stage for a tutorial on udev i've wanted to write for a while. it's *barely* started, but it's here: http://www.crashcourse.ca/wiki/index.php/Udev and will use as the basis for a hands-on example the aforementioned USB-serial cable, since that seemed like the simplest device i could expect others could lay hands on if they wanted to follow along and actually watch udev processing in real time. much more to come on the udev page by end of day ... rday p.s. if others have a suggestion for a device that could be used for hands-on udev that's cheap, easy to find and doesn't overwhelm the beginner with udev processing, i'm open to suggestions. again, all this will eventually end up in one of my courses, no idea where yet. -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================