Kernelnewbies Digest, Vol 106, Issue 23

Sun Sep 29 14:59:26 EDT 2019

Hello, I am from Colombia and I am interested in the kernel, I would like
that there were also kernel developers here, I hope to learn a lot and be
able to share that knowledge for Hispanics and can join this cause.

El dom., 29 sept. 2019 a las 11:00, <kernelnewbies-request at kernelnewbies.org>
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>    1. Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Manuel Quintero Fonseca)
>    2. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks)
>    3. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Maria Neptune)
>    4. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>       research on the linux kernel (Greg KH)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600
> From: Manuel Quintero Fonseca <manuel at uas.edu.mx>
> To: kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> Subject: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> the linux kernel
> Thank you
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> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:16:46 -0400
> From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" <valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu>
> To: Manuel Quintero Fonseca <manuel at uas.edu.mx>
> Cc: kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:
> > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> > the linux kernel
>
> Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry
> and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually more
> theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*
> Linux as a platform because it's available.  Pretty much nobody is doing
> any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study
> in
> managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code
> quality metrics and other such things).
>
> And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's got
> this
> one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4
> professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For
> Something Research".  So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to be
> looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's
> computer
> security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or
> Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have
> the
> project you transferred for go away a year later....
>
> (And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they often
> end
> up being some variant of "If we measured metric X better, we could do a
> better
> job of predicting what to do with Y" - but it often turns out that
> measuring X
> better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:40:27 -0400
> From: Maria Neptune <maria.elysse.n at gmail.com>
> To: kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org
> Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> Additionally, if you're really interested in free software at university,
> UCLA's Paul Eggert is pretty prolific. So here may be worth considering.
> - Maria
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 16:17 Valdis Kl?tnieks <valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu>
> wrote:
>
> > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:
> > > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> > > the linux kernel
> >
> > Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry
> > and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually
> more
> > theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*
> > Linux as a platform because it's available.  Pretty much nobody is doing
> > any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study
> > in
> > managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code
> > quality metrics and other such things).
> >
> > And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's
> got
> > this
> > one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4
> > professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For
> > Something Research".  So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to
> be
> > looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's
> > computer
> > security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford
> or
> > Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to
> have
> > the
> > project you transferred for go away a year later....
> >
> > (And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they
> often
> > end
> > up being some variant of "If we measured metric X better, we could do a
> > better
> > job of predicting what to do with Y" - but it often turns out that
> > measuring X
> > better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)
> >
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> Message: 4
> Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:36:59 +0200
> From: Greg KH <greg at kroah.com>
> To: Valdis Kl?tnieks <valdis.kletnieks at vt.edu>
> Cc: kernelnewbies at kernelnewbies.org, Manuel Quintero Fonseca
>         <manuel at uas.edu.mx>
> Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of
>         research on the linux kernel
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> On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:16:46PM -0400, Valdis Kl?tnieks wrote:
> > On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:
> > > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on
> > > the linux kernel
> >
> > Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry
> > and by individuals.  The stuff that happens in universities is usually
> more
> > theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*
> > Linux as a platform because it's available.  Pretty much nobody is doing
> > any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case
> study in
> > managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code
> > quality metrics and other such things).
>
> That's not true, there are lots of universities doing research *on* the
> Linux kernel, as well as doing research *for* the Linux kernel in order
> to make it better and to prove/disprove new research theories.
>
> One example would be the first talk listed here that happened last week:
>         https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/live-blog-day-3-2/
> It describes how research is being used to both prove that the kernel's
> model of operation is correct (he found bugs in it when doing so) as
> well as to advance the development of formal methods.
>
> There are loads of other research projects doing stuff like this all
> over the world, look at the output of computer science papers for lots
> of examples of this.
>
> > And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's
> got this
> > one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4
> > professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For
> > Something Research".  So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to
> be
> > looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's
> computer
> > security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford
> or
> > Berkeley.  It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to
> have the
> > project you transferred for go away a year later....
>
> There are lots of these types of "centers of research" at universities
> outside of the US as well.  Again, look at papers for examples of common
> groups of professors sponsoring projects for where this is happening.  I
> don't want to slight any by only listing a few :)
>
> thanks,
>
> greg k-h
>
>
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