<div dir="ltr"><br class="gmail-Apple-interchange-newline"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif;white-space:pre-wrap;background-color:rgb(248,249,250)">Hello, I am from Colombia and I am interested in the kernel, I would like that there were also kernel developers here, I hope to learn a lot and be able to share that knowledge for Hispanics and can join this cause.</span> <br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">El dom., 29 sept. 2019 a las 11:00, <<a href="mailto:kernelnewbies-request@kernelnewbies.org">kernelnewbies-request@kernelnewbies.org</a>> escribió:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Send Kernelnewbies mailing list submissions to<br>
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1. Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
research on the linux kernel (Manuel Quintero Fonseca)<br>
2. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
research on the linux kernel (Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks)<br>
3. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
research on the linux kernel (Maria Neptune)<br>
4. Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
research on the linux kernel (Greg KH)<br>
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600<br>
From: Manuel Quintero Fonseca <<a href="mailto:manuel@uas.edu.mx" target="_blank">manuel@uas.edu.mx</a>><br>
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Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
the linux kernel<br>
Thank you<br>
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:16:46 -0400<br>
From: "Valdis Kl=?utf-8?Q?=c4=93?=tnieks" <<a href="mailto:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu" target="_blank">valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu</a>><br>
To: Manuel Quintero Fonseca <<a href="mailto:manuel@uas.edu.mx" target="_blank">manuel@uas.edu.mx</a>><br>
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Subject: Re: Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of<br>
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On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:<br>
> Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
> the linux kernel<br>
<br>
Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry<br>
and by individuals. The stuff that happens in universities is usually more<br>
theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*<br>
Linux as a platform because it's available. Pretty much nobody is doing<br>
any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study in<br>
managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code<br>
quality metrics and other such things).<br>
<br>
And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's got this<br>
one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4<br>
professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For<br>
Something Research". So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to be<br>
looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's computer<br>
security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or<br>
Berkeley. It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have the<br>
project you transferred for go away a year later....<br>
<br>
(And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they often end<br>
up being some variant of "If we measured metric X better, we could do a better<br>
job of predicting what to do with Y" - but it often turns out that measuring X<br>
better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)<br>
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Date: Sat, 28 Sep 2019 16:40:27 -0400<br>
From: Maria Neptune <<a href="mailto:maria.elysse.n@gmail.com" target="_blank">maria.elysse.n@gmail.com</a>><br>
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Additionally, if you're really interested in free software at university,<br>
UCLA's Paul Eggert is pretty prolific. So here may be worth considering.<br>
- Maria<br>
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2019, 16:17 Valdis Kl?tnieks <<a href="mailto:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu" target="_blank">valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu</a>><br>
wrote:<br>
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> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:<br>
> > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
> > the linux kernel<br>
><br>
> Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry<br>
> and by individuals. The stuff that happens in universities is usually more<br>
> theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*<br>
> Linux as a platform because it's available. Pretty much nobody is doing<br>
> any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study<br>
> in<br>
> managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code<br>
> quality metrics and other such things).<br>
><br>
> And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's got<br>
> this<br>
> one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4<br>
> professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For<br>
> Something Research". So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to be<br>
> looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's<br>
> computer<br>
> security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or<br>
> Berkeley. It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have<br>
> the<br>
> project you transferred for go away a year later....<br>
><br>
> (And many of those projects never see the light of day, because they often<br>
> end<br>
> up being some variant of "If we measured metric X better, we could do a<br>
> better<br>
> job of predicting what to do with Y" - but it often turns out that<br>
> measuring X<br>
> better costs more than the added efficiency of Y gains you....)<br>
><br>
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Date: Sun, 29 Sep 2019 10:36:59 +0200<br>
From: Greg KH <<a href="mailto:greg@kroah.com" target="_blank">greg@kroah.com</a>><br>
To: Valdis Kl?tnieks <<a href="mailto:valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu" target="_blank">valdis.kletnieks@vt.edu</a>><br>
Cc: <a href="mailto:kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org" target="_blank">kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org</a>, Manuel Quintero Fonseca<br>
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research on the linux kernel<br>
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On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 04:16:46PM -0400, Valdis Kl?tnieks wrote:<br>
> On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 12:45:11 -0600, Manuel Quintero Fonseca said:<br>
> > Hello, does anyone know any university that has lines of research on<br>
> > the linux kernel<br>
> <br>
> Well.. most of the actual code development is being done out in industry<br>
> and by individuals. The stuff that happens in universities is usually more<br>
> theoretical (new concepts in memory management, etc), and merely *uses*<br>
> Linux as a platform because it's available. Pretty much nobody is doing<br>
> any research *on* the Linux kernel as itself (unless it's as a case study in<br>
> managing large scale software development, or as a data point for code<br>
> quality metrics and other such things).<br>
<br>
That's not true, there are lots of universities doing research *on* the<br>
Linux kernel, as well as doing research *for* the Linux kernel in order<br>
to make it better and to prove/disprove new research theories.<br>
<br>
One example would be the first talk listed here that happened last week:<br>
<a href="https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/live-blog-day-3-2/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://kernel-recipes.org/en/2019/live-blog-day-3-2/</a><br>
It describes how research is being used to both prove that the kernel's<br>
model of operation is correct (he found bugs in it when doing so) as<br>
well as to advance the development of formal methods.<br>
<br>
There are loads of other research projects doing stuff like this all<br>
over the world, look at the output of computer science papers for lots<br>
of examples of this.<br>
<br>
> And there's a difference between "University ABC has a professor who's got this<br>
> one project that happens to use Linux in it" and "University DEF has 4<br>
> professors and 20 grad students who have set up an official Center For<br>
> Something Research". So if you're looking for grad schools, you want to be<br>
> looking at things with longevity, like the MIT Media Lab, or Purdue's computer<br>
> security expertise, or a lot of the stuff being done at CMU or Stanford or<br>
> Berkeley. It sucks to transfer to a grad school for 3 years, only to have the<br>
> project you transferred for go away a year later....<br>
<br>
There are lots of these types of "centers of research" at universities<br>
outside of the US as well. Again, look at papers for examples of common<br>
groups of professors sponsoring projects for where this is happening. I<br>
don't want to slight any by only listing a few :)<br>
<br>
thanks,<br>
<br>
greg k-h<br>
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