Re: Bad Patches and Issues with other devolopers
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:21 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Tue, 5 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote:
I want to help and improve the code plus get a code [sic] doing kernel development.
*sigh* ... assuming you mean you want a *job* doing kernel development, you may have already screwed yourself royally.
it's obvious you want to get *some* kind of patches into the kernel, just so you can say, "see? i patched the linux kernel!" what you clearly don't understand is the unintended consequences of your scattershot patching attempts.
while prospective employers will certainly want to know what you've contributed to the kernel, they will also simply google on your name with respect to the kernel, and *that*, my boy, is where you are quite simply f**ked.
i googled on the words "nick krause linux kernel" (which is what any minimally competent employer would do), and on the very first page of results was this:
http://www.themukt.com/2014/08/04/someone-trolling-linux-kernel-mailing-list...
what that page tells prospective employers is that you are in over your head, you don't listen to advice, and you have very bad work habits.
regardless of whatever you do from now on, given your online reputation that any employer will certainly find, you may have already made yourself unemployable.
rday
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Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name! Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot. More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it. You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc. Greg -- Greg Freemyer
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206 On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
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-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :) On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
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-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick
Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it. On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <
pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com>
wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some
fame
lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <
greg.freemyer@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin <kristofer.hallin@gmail.com> wrote:
Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it.
On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick
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I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 7:02 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin <kristofer.hallin@gmail.com> wrote:
Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it.
On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick
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I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick
Actually its quite an achievement to get banned from the list. My advise : forget about the list for now. Go through all the advises that you have got from every one regarding your patches. You might not have seen the advises given to you . Then understand what you are trying to do , understand why you are trying to do that , and then try to think how you are going to do that. And after doing test it by compiling the kernel and booting into the new kernel and verify that your changes are working.
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin <kristofer.hallin@gmail.com> wrote:
Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it.
On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com>
wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite
some
fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com
wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <
xerofoify@gmail.com>
wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick
If I were you I would stop being a keyboard warrior at this very point and start reading LDD, ULK, LKD etc and looking at code. -- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:46 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:32 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Kristofer Hallin <kristofer.hallin@gmail.com> wrote:
Being banned from the list means that you're not welcome anymore, so don't try to get around it.
On Aug 6, 2014 3:25 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 8:47 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 6:30 AM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 11:02 AM, Pramod Gurav <pramod.gurav.etc@gmail.com> wrote:
Now Nick can go and Troll these guys in there, Thanks to Anuz! :)
Happy to help :D
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 3:18 PM, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar <chambilkethakur@gmail.com> wrote:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger. Sarah Sharp, Greg-KH, Ted Tso etc are talking about you, quite some fame lol. https://plus.google.com/116960357493251979546/posts/N1roxd2k1f7 https://lkml.org/lkml/2014/8/4/206
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:43 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 6:49 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 5, 2014 at 5:35 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Is there any way to fix this or am I just unemployable. Cheers Nick
Get married and take your wife's name!
Being more realistic, get good at a specific subsystem and earn a good reputation in that subsystem. If you're lucky someone will get to know your reputation and get you a shot regardless that you got off on the wrong foot.
More importantly, except for kernel trainers like Robert, most companies hire linux kernel subsystem developers, not linux kernel developers. Thus you need to find a part of the kernel you want to delve into and get really good at just it.
You can also research who the companies are that employ kernel developers and see which subsystems they are working in. As an example Redhat employs a couple of the XFS developers. SUSE employs one of the mdraid developers, etc.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer I was really worried , that I would have to give up on this goal, but thanks for the advice. I am interested in working in schedulers, file systems and networking. If you guys want to help me , just tell me how to get started and again to all the maintainers, I feel terrible about wasting your time. Sorry and thanks A lot, Nick
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-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
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-- Thanks and Regards Pramod
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I am banned from vger or not? Nick Seems I am banned from the list is there any way around this or not? Regards Nick
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I am not trying to get around it, I would like to be welcomed back is all. Cheers Nick
If I were you I would stop being a keyboard warrior at this very point and start reading LDD, ULK, LKD etc and looking at code.
-- Thank you Warm Regards Anuz
I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick
Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly. -- Andev
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Andev <debiandev@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick
Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly.
-- Andev I do have aspergers. Nick
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Andev <debiandev@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick
Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly.
-- Andev I do have aspergers. Nick In addition, sometimes I don't listen to advice even through it's good advice(testing patches) due to ego and that's not a good thing on the list. Cheers Nick
But aren't broken patches doing more damage to your ego than testing the code before trying to get it merged? On Aug 6, 2014 4:22 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 10:07 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:59 AM, Andev <debiandev@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:56 AM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
I have read the books you suggested, seems I was not doing the work in the correct way. I seem to be helping out with some traces for now. Regards Nick
Nick, Are you suffering from autism? This is a genuine question as your behavior is really making lots of people think so. Please let us know so that we can act accordingly.
-- Andev I do have aspergers. Nick In addition, sometimes I don't listen to advice even through it's good advice(testing patches) due to ego and that's not a good thing on the list. Cheers Nick
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote:
Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not?
good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban. at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that. if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================
+1 lmfao! -Josh On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote:
Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban.
at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that.
if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list.
rday
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:31 PM, Josh Carlson <joshcarlson3@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 lmfao!
-Josh
On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote:
Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not?
good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban.
at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that.
if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list.
rday
Thanks Guys, If someone is willing to get me back on the list , and help me with that it would be great. Cheers Nick
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Guys, If someone is willing to get me back on the list , and help me with that it would be great. Cheers Nick
I've never heard of a ban before either. Are you banned from subscribing? or banned from posting? Or both? If you can still subscribe, why do you really need to post? Seriously I'm on a few vger lists and I rarely post. Also, which vger list is it you think is critical to you. I for one have never subscribed to the main lkml list. It just has an overwhelming amount of traffic. I focus on the subsystems I find of interest. Even those tend to get much more email traffic than I can read thoroughly. Greg -- Greg Freemyer
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:11 PM, Greg Freemyer <greg.freemyer@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:47 PM, Nick Krause <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
Thanks Guys, If someone is willing to get me back on the list , and help me with that it would be great. Cheers Nick
I've never heard of a ban before either. Are you banned from subscribing? or banned from posting? Or both?
If you can still subscribe, why do you really need to post? Seriously I'm on a few vger lists and I rarely post.
Also, which vger list is it you think is critical to you. I for one have never subscribed to the main lkml list. It just has an overwhelming amount of traffic. I focus on the subsystems I find of interest. Even those tend to get much more email traffic than I can read thoroughly.
Greg
-- Greg Freemyer All of them. Nick
-1 I don't support a ban for Nick on this list. If he's genuinely affected by a learning problem then we need to take that into account before jumping to a conclusion. Nick, Advice for you is to NOT worry about whether you're part of kernelnewbies/vger lists or not. Just concentrate on learning as much as possible and 'doing the right thing'. Everything else will fix itself. When you encounter a problem, post your questions here. There are a lot of people who'll be willing to help you, provided you've shown understanding and commitment from your side too. Good luck, -mandeep On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Carlson <joshcarlson3@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 lmfao!
-Josh
On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote:
Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban.
at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that.
if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list.
rday
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:52 PM, Mandeep Sandhu <mandeepsandhu.chd@gmail.com> wrote:
-1
I don't support a ban for Nick on this list. If he's genuinely affected by a learning problem then we need to take that into account before jumping to a conclusion.
Nick,
Advice for you is to NOT worry about whether you're part of kernelnewbies/vger lists or not. Just concentrate on learning as much as possible and 'doing the right thing'. Everything else will fix itself.
When you encounter a problem, post your questions here. There are a lot of people who'll be willing to help you, provided you've shown understanding and commitment from your side too.
Good luck, -mandeep
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 9:31 AM, Josh Carlson <joshcarlson3@gmail.com> wrote:
+1 lmfao!
-Josh
On 08/06/2014 09:35 AM, Robert P. J. Day wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Nick Krause wrote:
Seems I am banned from the [LKML] list is there any way around this or not? good lord, man ... when you're *banned* from a particular venue, the proper and productive response is to examine your behaviour, then do what it takes to correct it, *not* immediately ask if there's a way to circumvent the ban.
at this point, i suggest it's time to ban you from *this* list for the simple reason that your participation has nothing to do with furthering anyone's knowledge of the linux kernel; rather, it has devolved into a discussion about your unacceptable behaviour, and this is most emphatically *not* the proper mailing list for that.
if there's a voting process, i would vote that nick krause be removed from this mailing list.
rday
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Aspergers's not a learning problem for computer science, it does however effect my communcation skills and that was the issue. Regards Nick
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that? 0) Nick can't screw up again. *AT ALL*. Patches have to be clean and correct on the first try, and posting something stupid or failing to listen and implement maintainer suggestions will probably be fatal. Yes, that *does* mean that posting a "great new idea" that's half-baked or worse will probably be fatal, which means you should bounce the idea off several other people who actually know the kernel. I see a *lot* of "this would be great if" ideas that aren't actually good ideas - either the kernel would have to be majorly re-written for little gain, or the idea is contrary to the way things are done in the kernel, or there's hidden reasons we don't already do it... 1) Pick *one* (or at most two) sub-lists, subscribe, and *SHUT UP AND READ*. Resist the temptation to post anything. Learn. Pay attention to the maintainer's comments on other patches - this is how you learn what they want to see in a patch, and what they *don't* want to see. 2) Once you get an actual handle on what's considered a "good" patch series for that section of the kernel, *then* start thinking about small patches. 3) Before sending the first few patches, *review* them. Test compile them. Test boot them. E-mail them to yourself, and make sure they apply. Have somebody else look at them off-list first, to make sure you didn't do something stupid. Do everything possible to make sure it's *RIGHT* the first time it hits the sub-list. After 3-4 years of this, and the start of a record of having correct patches, the powers that be might consider un-doing a ban....
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 12:58 PM, <Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu> wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
0) Nick can't screw up again. *AT ALL*. Patches have to be clean and correct on the first try, and posting something stupid or failing to listen and implement maintainer suggestions will probably be fatal. Yes, that *does* mean that posting a "great new idea" that's half-baked or worse will probably be fatal, which means you should bounce the idea off several other people who actually know the kernel. I see a *lot* of "this would be great if" ideas that aren't actually good ideas - either the kernel would have to be majorly re-written for little gain, or the idea is contrary to the way things are done in the kernel, or there's hidden reasons we don't already do it...
1) Pick *one* (or at most two) sub-lists, subscribe, and *SHUT UP AND READ*. Resist the temptation to post anything. Learn. Pay attention to the maintainer's comments on other patches - this is how you learn what they want to see in a patch, and what they *don't* want to see.
2) Once you get an actual handle on what's considered a "good" patch series for that section of the kernel, *then* start thinking about small patches.
3) Before sending the first few patches, *review* them. Test compile them. Test boot them. E-mail them to yourself, and make sure they apply. Have somebody else look at them off-list first, to make sure you didn't do something stupid. Do everything possible to make sure it's *RIGHT* the first time it hits the sub-list.
After 3-4 years of this, and the start of a record of having correct patches, the powers that be might consider un-doing a ban....
So I assume I am up the list for a while then. Regards Nick
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door. i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos. people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not. it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?" if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*. rday -- ======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday ========================================================================
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
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Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed. Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
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Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed.
Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
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Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
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Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick
I still highly recommend that you talk to someone. Lidza On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed.
Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca
wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
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Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
I still highly recommend that you talk to someone.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed.
Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
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Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
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Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick
Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick
People. Can we continue the technical discussions on this list? I have no interest anymore in Nicks problems. Take the discussions with Nick off list. On Aug 6, 2014 8:46 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
I still highly recommend that you talk to someone.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real
life,
have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed.
Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach
that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point
where
he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
--
========================================================================
Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
========================================================================
Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick
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On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:53 PM, Kristofer Hallin <kristofer.hallin@gmail.com> wrote:
People. Can we continue the technical discussions on this list? I have no interest anymore in Nicks problems.
Take the discussions with Nick off list.
On Aug 6, 2014 8:46 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
I still highly recommend that you talk to someone.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed.
Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
--
======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
========================================================================
Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick
Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick
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Let's stop this discussion, I do feel I am getting no where and this is wasting the list's bandwidth. Nick
YESsssss ! With the occasion may I get some comments to the REAL_TECH question I asked above. The CPU throttling thingy :) Will be eternally indebted to the ONE who helps me to understand. Thanks in advance, Stephan On Wednesday, August 6, 2014 11:54 AM, Kristofer Hallin <kristofer.hallin@gmail.com> wrote:
People. Can we continue the technical discussions on this list? I have no interest anymore in Nicks problems. Take the discussions with Nick off list. On Aug 6, 2014 8:46 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:42 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
I still highly recommend that you talk to someone.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:33 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Lidza Louina <lidza.louina@gmail.com> wrote:
Nick, stop sending patches and emails. Go talk to someone in real life, have them to look at the emails and talk to them about it. Talk to someone that understands your communication style and can explain these things to you in a way that you can understand it. You are making things worse by trying to contact people that you have annoyed.
Step away from the computer and talk to someone in real life because none of the emails and suggestions people have given seem to be helping you.
Lidza
On Aug 6, 2014 2:13 PM, "Nick Krause" <xerofoify@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Aug 6, 2014 at 1:24 PM, Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Wed, 6 Aug 2014, Valdis.Kletnieks@vt.edu wrote:
On Wed, 06 Aug 2014 10:48:14 +0100, Anuz Pratap Singh Tomar said:
oh man you have gained prominence in vger? They have banned you from vger.
Wow. I've been around for a dozen years or so, and can't remember *that* ever happening before. That takes some *major* doing, and could take literally years to straighten out. How to approach that?
*sigh* ... the fact that nick has, *single-handedly*, pissed off and wasted the time of numerous subsystem maintainers to the point where he has been banned from LKML and has, in addition, *single-handedly* turned the kernel newbies mailing list into his personal self-help playground means that he needs to be shown the door.
i don't want to sound unsympathetic, but it doesn't *matter* if this is nick's fault or not -- he is, quite simply, a disruptive influence and is, at the moment, turning this mailing list into chaos.
people are asking, can he be salvaged? to which the proper answer is, who cares? there are a *lot* of kernel newbies out there who would desperately like to get to the point where *they* can start submitting patches, and most of *those* people are willing to read and listen and follow the advice of the veterans to the point where they become useful contributors. nick is not.
it's massively ironic that countless people have told nick what he should be doing, to which his inveitable response is, "ok, but what should i be doing?"
if you want to help nick, knock yourself out but take it offline. nick has already wasted far too much bandwidth that could have been invested in helping newbies that are willing to *listen*.
rday
--
======================================================================== Robert P. J. Day Ottawa, Ontario, CANADA http://crashcourse.ca
Twitter: http://twitter.com/rpjday LinkedIn: http://ca.linkedin.com/in/rpjday
========================================================================
Robert, I am trying to listen now and this was my fault. Regards Nick
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org http://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Lidza, I am fine here. I didn't listen and that is the key issue if people don't want to give me a second change that's fine. Cheers Nick
Talk about what ? The issue is my listening. Cheers Nick
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