Re: A blog for kernel development
Hi, Thank you for your replies. I am just laying the foundation. After a couple of weeks, I will start posing about the Linux kernel on my blog. I am also planning to give online Linux kernel training after some time. This might be free. So, keep in touch. Regards, Amit Kumar On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:47 PM Rogério Valentim Feitoza da Silva <rogerio.silva3920@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2022, Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Your mail is very inspirational. My aspiration of becoming a Linux kernel developer is very old. https://lore.kernel.org/all/1482241064-7504-1-git-send-email-free.amit.kumar... I used to be a Java developer. Due to my personal problems, I have been distracted for a long time from my career. Now, I am back in my career and decided to give a try again to my aspirations. I want to create such a blog that lead a newbie step by step in becoming a Linux kernel developer. So if Linux is written entirely in C and C programs everytime take main function right, okay where is main function of kernel? A kernel runs in a freestanding environment i.e. there is no libc available. In other words, kernel runs on the bare metal, we use assembly language and linker script to set up everything on our own. https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.17-rc7/source/init/main.c#L927 Last but not least, Robotics is on my radar.
Regards, Amit Kumar
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 7:38 AM Ozgur Kara <ozgur@goosey.org> wrote:
10.03.2022, 04:30, "Amit Kumar" <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com>:
Hi,
Hello,
maybe if you want to be a kernel developer you should go to some reference sources before that.
Really Important: The C Programming Language
1. Understanding Linux Kernel (I/O and Process Management 2. Understanding Memory Addressing 3. Understanding Processes 4. Understanding Intterupts 5. Understanding Timing and Clock 6. Kernel Address Space 7. Kernel Namespaces 8. System Calls 9. Signals
A) Linux Device Drivers
1. Module 2. Communication 3. Buffer Character and Blocks 4. Pooling 5. User Space and Kernel Space 6. Learn Linux kernel header file
B) Kernel Internals
1. Boot Loader (Booting) 2. Virtual File Systems 3. Caching and Paging 4. Task Structure 5. Scheduler 6. Queue 7. File Structure 8. IPC 9. Synronization 10. Data Types in the kernel 11. PCI and USB 12. DMA
so as soon as you know these you are already in an active kernel developer mode but you probably have to be very interested in hardware. So the Linux kernel is not just software and almost all developers strive for hardware compatibility.
Operating System standards (POSIX) are already largely complete on Linux and you can bid and join workgroups for porting a new software solution for example a new filesystem.
Regardless of your hardware knowledge and C knowledg will be declared you a "developer" and for example i dont even know most of them and i have been using Linux for many years and sometimes i even heard words when my C skills were not enough they fired me from there :)
but don't be discouraged by it, its good keyword:
"Just For Fun"
yes, do everything to be fun and learn. Now download a linux kernel, unzip it and examine source codes. Check out inside Documents and then open kernel menu and play with some changes and try to compile.
if you dont get an error, boot and run from new kernel and test. in this case, learn bootloader, initramfs and actuall real kernel file where is it and what is size for example?
An example question:
So if Linux is written entirely in C and C programs everytime take main function right, okay where is main function of kernel? :)
Good Luck and always include your research on these in your blog. Regards
zgur
https://blog.freeark1.tv/2022/03/a-blog-for-linux-kernel-development.html
I am thinking of sharing everything which will lead a normal application developer to become a Linux kernel developer. This will be just my journey journal to become a Linux kernel developer. Please, feel free to share your views so that I can serve the purpose.
Regards, Amit Kumar
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 8:55 AM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have started this mail thread to interact with other kernel learners. I am also running a blog for stuff related to Linux kernel development. https://blog.freeark1.tv When a new post will appear on this blog I'll mail it on this thread. Soon I'll start posting about kernel development.
Regards, Amit Kumar
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Userspace applications also run on bare metal, but they run on user mode (in x86 that's ring 3) and need the kernel's system call interface (in x86 that's the 129th CPU interrupt, called using "int 0x80" or "int 128", and in ARM, the SWI instruction is used) to do kernel-only tasks such as file I/O, process management and networking.
Where's the web address? V/r, John aronetics.com We Speak IT® --mobile-- ________________________________ From: Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 8:15 PM To: Rogério Valentim Feitoza da Silva; Kernel Newbies; torin@tcarey.uk Subject: Re: A blog for kernel development Hi, Thank you for your replies. I am just laying the foundation. After a couple of weeks, I will start posing about the Linux kernel on my blog. I am also planning to give online Linux kernel training after some time. This might be free. So, keep in touch. Regards, Amit Kumar On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:47 PM Rogério Valentim Feitoza da Silva <rogerio.silva3920@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2022, Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Your mail is very inspirational. My aspiration of becoming a Linux kernel developer is very old. https://lore.kernel.org/all/1482241064-7504-1-git-send-email-free.amit.kumar... I used to be a Java developer. Due to my personal problems, I have been distracted for a long time from my career. Now, I am back in my career and decided to give a try again to my aspirations. I want to create such a blog that lead a newbie step by step in becoming a Linux kernel developer. So if Linux is written entirely in C and C programs everytime take main function right, okay where is main function of kernel? A kernel runs in a freestanding environment i.e. there is no libc available. In other words, kernel runs on the bare metal, we use assembly language and linker script to set up everything on our own. https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.17-rc7/source/init/main.c#L927 Last but not least, Robotics is on my radar.
Regards, Amit Kumar
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 7:38 AM Ozgur Kara <ozgur@goosey.org> wrote:
10.03.2022, 04:30, "Amit Kumar" <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com>:
Hi,
Hello,
maybe if you want to be a kernel developer you should go to some reference sources before that.
Really Important: The C Programming Language
1. Understanding Linux Kernel (I/O and Process Management 2. Understanding Memory Addressing 3. Understanding Processes 4. Understanding Intterupts 5. Understanding Timing and Clock 6. Kernel Address Space 7. Kernel Namespaces 8. System Calls 9. Signals
A) Linux Device Drivers
1. Module 2. Communication 3. Buffer Character and Blocks 4. Pooling 5. User Space and Kernel Space 6. Learn Linux kernel header file
B) Kernel Internals
1. Boot Loader (Booting) 2. Virtual File Systems 3. Caching and Paging 4. Task Structure 5. Scheduler 6. Queue 7. File Structure 8. IPC 9. Synronization 10. Data Types in the kernel 11. PCI and USB 12. DMA
so as soon as you know these you are already in an active kernel developer mode but you probably have to be very interested in hardware. So the Linux kernel is not just software and almost all developers strive for hardware compatibility.
Operating System standards (POSIX) are already largely complete on Linux and you can bid and join workgroups for porting a new software solution for example a new filesystem.
Regardless of your hardware knowledge and C knowledg will be declared you a "developer" and for example i dont even know most of them and i have been using Linux for many years and sometimes i even heard words when my C skills were not enough they fired me from there :)
but don't be discouraged by it, its good keyword:
"Just For Fun"
yes, do everything to be fun and learn. Now download a linux kernel, unzip it and examine source codes. Check out inside Documents and then open kernel menu and play with some changes and try to compile.
if you dont get an error, boot and run from new kernel and test. in this case, learn bootloader, initramfs and actuall real kernel file where is it and what is size for example?
An example question:
So if Linux is written entirely in C and C programs everytime take main function right, okay where is main function of kernel? :)
Good Luck and always include your research on these in your blog. Regards
zgur
https://blog.freeark1.tv/2022/03/a-blog-for-linux-kernel-development.html
I am thinking of sharing everything which will lead a normal application developer to become a Linux kernel developer. This will be just my journey journal to become a Linux kernel developer. Please, feel free to share your views so that I can serve the purpose.
Regards, Amit Kumar
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 8:55 AM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have started this mail thread to interact with other kernel learners. I am also running a blog for stuff related to Linux kernel development. https://blog.freeark1.tv When a new post will appear on this blog I'll mail it on this thread. Soon I'll start posting about kernel development.
Regards, Amit Kumar
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Userspace applications also run on bare metal, but they run on user mode (in x86 that's ring 3) and need the kernel's system call interface (in x86 that's the 129th CPU interrupt, called using "int 0x80" or "int 128", and in ARM, the SWI instruction is used) to do kernel-only tasks such as file I/O, process management and networking.
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 6:59 AM John A <john@aronetics.com> wrote:
Where's the web address?
Are you asking about my blog address? It's https://blog.freeark1.tv Thank you for your interest.
V/r, John
aronetics.com We Speak IT®
--mobile-- ________________________________ From: Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> Sent: Thursday, March 10, 2022 8:15 PM To: Rogério Valentim Feitoza da Silva; Kernel Newbies; torin@tcarey.uk Subject: Re: A blog for kernel development
Hi, Thank you for your replies. I am just laying the foundation. After a couple of weeks, I will start posing about the Linux kernel on my blog. I am also planning to give online Linux kernel training after some time. This might be free. So, keep in touch. Regards, Amit Kumar On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 10:47 PM Rogério Valentim Feitoza da Silva <rogerio.silva3920@gmail.com> wrote:
On Thursday, 10 March 2022, Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, Your mail is very inspirational. My aspiration of becoming a Linux kernel developer is very old. https://lore.kernel.org/all/1482241064-7504-1-git-send-email-free.amit.kumar... I used to be a Java developer. Due to my personal problems, I have been distracted for a long time from my career. Now, I am back in my career and decided to give a try again to my aspirations. I want to create such a blog that lead a newbie step by step in becoming a Linux kernel developer. So if Linux is written entirely in C and C programs everytime take main function right, okay where is main function of kernel? A kernel runs in a freestanding environment i.e. there is no libc available. In other words, kernel runs on the bare metal, we use assembly language and linker script to set up everything on our own. https://elixir.bootlin.com/linux/v5.17-rc7/source/init/main.c#L927 Last but not least, Robotics is on my radar.
Regards, Amit Kumar
On Thu, Mar 10, 2022 at 7:38 AM Ozgur Kara <ozgur@goosey.org> wrote:
10.03.2022, 04:30, "Amit Kumar" <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com>:
Hi,
Hello,
maybe if you want to be a kernel developer you should go to some reference sources before that.
Really Important: The C Programming Language
1. Understanding Linux Kernel (I/O and Process Management 2. Understanding Memory Addressing 3. Understanding Processes 4. Understanding Intterupts 5. Understanding Timing and Clock 6. Kernel Address Space 7. Kernel Namespaces 8. System Calls 9. Signals
A) Linux Device Drivers
1. Module 2. Communication 3. Buffer Character and Blocks 4. Pooling 5. User Space and Kernel Space 6. Learn Linux kernel header file
B) Kernel Internals
1. Boot Loader (Booting) 2. Virtual File Systems 3. Caching and Paging 4. Task Structure 5. Scheduler 6. Queue 7. File Structure 8. IPC 9. Synronization 10. Data Types in the kernel 11. PCI and USB 12. DMA
so as soon as you know these you are already in an active kernel developer mode but you probably have to be very interested in hardware. So the Linux kernel is not just software and almost all developers strive for hardware compatibility.
Operating System standards (POSIX) are already largely complete on Linux and you can bid and join workgroups for porting a new software solution for example a new filesystem.
Regardless of your hardware knowledge and C knowledg will be declared you a "developer" and for example i dont even know most of them and i have been using Linux for many years and sometimes i even heard words when my C skills were not enough they fired me from there :)
but don't be discouraged by it, its good keyword:
"Just For Fun"
yes, do everything to be fun and learn. Now download a linux kernel, unzip it and examine source codes. Check out inside Documents and then open kernel menu and play with some changes and try to compile.
if you dont get an error, boot and run from new kernel and test. in this case, learn bootloader, initramfs and actuall real kernel file where is it and what is size for example?
An example question:
So if Linux is written entirely in C and C programs everytime take main function right, okay where is main function of kernel? :)
Good Luck and always include your research on these in your blog. Regards
zgur
https://blog.freeark1.tv/2022/03/a-blog-for-linux-kernel-development.html
I am thinking of sharing everything which will lead a normal application developer to become a Linux kernel developer. This will be just my journey journal to become a Linux kernel developer. Please, feel free to share your views so that I can serve the purpose.
Regards, Amit Kumar
On Sat, Mar 5, 2022 at 8:55 AM Amit Kumar <free.amit.kumar@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi, I have started this mail thread to interact with other kernel learners. I am also running a blog for stuff related to Linux kernel development. https://blog.freeark1.tv When a new post will appear on this blog I'll mail it on this thread. Soon I'll start posting about kernel development.
Regards, Amit Kumar
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
Userspace applications also run on bare metal, but they run on user mode (in x86 that's ring 3) and need the kernel's system call interface (in x86 that's the 129th CPU interrupt, called using "int 0x80" or "int 128", and in ARM, the SWI instruction is used) to do kernel-only tasks such as file I/O, process management and networking.
_______________________________________________ Kernelnewbies mailing list Kernelnewbies@kernelnewbies.org https://lists.kernelnewbies.org/mailman/listinfo/kernelnewbies
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022, Amit Kumar wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for your replies. I am just laying the foundation. After a couple of weeks, I will start posing about the Linux kernel on my blog. I am also planning to give online Linux kernel training after some time. This might be free. So, keep in touch.
Regards, Amit Kumar
with all due respect, you've been posting about your promises to start learning linux kernel development and write about it for many months now, and while you've produced nothing in terms of actual blog content, you continue to recommend that people follow you and check out your blog and so on. from back in july of last year (https://www.spinics.net/lists/newbies/msg63239.html), you wrote: "Hi All, I am just here to inform that I am trying to learn Linux kernel development. If someone wants to follow me, so that he may also learn with me." so it's been nine months now, and there is no indication that you have written or learned *anything* about linux kernel programming, yet you continue to encourage members of this list to keep visiting your blog, and you even suggest that you might offer online linux kernel training, despite no indication that you know the slightest thing about it. it's great that someone wants to get into LKP, and that should always be encouraged, but what you're doing seems little more than shameless self-promotion. rday
Hi, Dear friends, I might resume my blog by May 01. Unfortunately, I'm unable to serve the Linux community due to my involvement in several lawsuits regarding my property in India. I'm also planning to form a company in the Caribbean. I wished for the success of Linux more than one and a half-decade ago. And now I am happy to see its success. Happy Linux, Happy user. Regards, Amit Kumar On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 7:51 PM Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@crashcourse.ca> wrote:
On Fri, 11 Mar 2022, Amit Kumar wrote:
Hi,
Thank you for your replies. I am just laying the foundation. After a couple of weeks, I will start posing about the Linux kernel on my blog. I am also planning to give online Linux kernel training after some time. This might be free. So, keep in touch.
Regards, Amit Kumar
with all due respect, you've been posting about your promises to start learning linux kernel development and write about it for many months now, and while you've produced nothing in terms of actual blog content, you continue to recommend that people follow you and check out your blog and so on.
from back in july of last year (https://www.spinics.net/lists/newbies/msg63239.html), you wrote:
"Hi All,
I am just here to inform that I am trying to learn Linux kernel development. If someone wants to follow me, so that he may also learn with me."
so it's been nine months now, and there is no indication that you have written or learned *anything* about linux kernel programming, yet you continue to encourage members of this list to keep visiting your blog, and you even suggest that you might offer online linux kernel training, despite no indication that you know the slightest thing about it.
it's great that someone wants to get into LKP, and that should always be encouraged, but what you're doing seems little more than shameless self-promotion.
rday
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