Hi all (boys and girl, ladies and gentlemen) Lately I realize many member ask quite alike same thing "where do we start? kindly guide me". OK, this is interesting. How do we guide you, if you don't tell us your interest/"expertise"/track record/so on? And more: what's your goal? What do you want to achieve? Glory? Fame? Money? Girls? or just something to fill your spare time? Please realize that there is actually no guide. It's you who has to guide yourself. We can only show you the "way". "Way", ok? road, street, canal, things like that.... but not somekind of food recipe....do this, jump on that, duck at that point. That's guide...but unfortunately we virtually know nothing about you. You, here, are no more than just email address representing a human. It becomes alive when you put your soul in it...your spirit, your desire etc. Then, there's no guide? Actually there is, but not obvious. Look on the way we discuss things, dig archieve...use google etc. Then combine it with your own thinking. Formulate it...I am sure you can do it. After all, if you're so stupid (sorry if it is harsh), you won't come up in this list, right? "Just gave me the tutorial, bro!". OK, that's it. That's the showstopper. We don't accept command. We're not your slaves. Here, everybody partner with others and together we share ideas. That's why it is called community. So if you have bossy mentality, please leave. We won't miss you, not even a bit. We miss friends, but not some clones of Hitler or Mussolini of 21st century. And please, don't make this list as somekind of late soap opera. "I am frustated" "I need that so bad"....so touchy, but that only shows that you're not adult. Instead, you're showing yourself more like 6 months baby who can only cry. World needs tough people. You're not tough? You wanna get some baby sitting? Not here.... last, please don't make this list as somekind of your 911. You dial, you expect answer. No answer, then you think someone violates your human right. Wrong guess. We are people with real life and real life makes "latency". If you plan to see "David Copperfield show", click youtube and enjoy the recording there. We're here to help as much as we can, but we have limitations and we don't dedicate our life just to read e-mails. But if you plan to do such thing, please do so and send us your whole body picture 6 month later, preferrably in 32 bit TIFF format, after making yourself as living answering machine. I risk my neck to be said as complete d**k due to this e-mail. It's ok, at least I try to make this community better :) -- regards, Mulyadi Santosa Freelance Linux trainer and consultant blog: the-hydra.blogspot.com training: mulyaditraining.blogspot.com